tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559276266012305470.post7216090682949507245..comments2023-05-24T06:06:06.285-07:00Comments on Continue the Conversation: LOVE WINS. (a chapter-by-chapter discussion)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559276266012305470.post-11726092434497175762011-07-19T11:56:58.921-07:002011-07-19T11:56:58.921-07:00Luke 7:1-10 is all about one being saved by anothe...Luke 7:1-10 is all about one being saved by another man's faith. the salvation wasn't granted only to the centurion that believed, but his subordinate. (a sort of social salvation)<br /><br />hope that clears up the Luke 7 reference.<br /><br />-RossRoss Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610849534284616756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559276266012305470.post-36154589132396201142011-04-11T16:36:35.176-07:002011-04-11T16:36:35.176-07:00Ross, Your response to Angelina's reference t...Ross, Your response to Angelina's reference to John 3:16 with a list of "gray" saving scriptures lost credibility with me after I re-read Luke 7. There is nothing in Luke 7 which counters or obfuscates John 3_16.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07939271832528793077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559276266012305470.post-17719559793479676082011-03-29T11:28:49.384-07:002011-03-29T11:28:49.384-07:00One thing I do believe is that everyone has the ri...One thing I do believe is that everyone has the right to challenge theology. That's the way it was for more than a thousand years after Christ... Sometime in the early to mid 1900's Questioning theology became "dangerous". Or at least that's what it seems like. <br /><br />Someone somewhere just like me who hated that there were too many things to consider thought it would be great to systemize theology and so it happened... They probably didn't mean harm nor could they see that doing just that might be the worst thing to happen to theology since Jesus fucked it up all those years ago.doc misteriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10745882874691620907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559276266012305470.post-6503040177165565422011-03-23T07:03:05.185-07:002011-03-23T07:03:05.185-07:00Good stuff, Bub. I'm glad you're having th...Good stuff, Bub. I'm glad you're having this dialogue. Can't wait to get a copy of the book.Living on Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08690901135714755706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559276266012305470.post-58321192227353750272011-03-22T14:42:18.040-07:002011-03-22T14:42:18.040-07:00Angelina-
I agree that John 3:16 presents 1 way of...Angelina-<br />I agree that John 3:16 presents 1 way of salvation, but to cherry pick scripture is not healthy either. I would argue that the scriptures, and God's nature are far more gray than B&W.<br /><br />Belief is most definitely 1 way of salvation, but the bible also tells of these other avenues:<br /><br />Luke 7<br />Luke 18<br />Luke 23<br />John 3<br />Luke 20<br />Matthew 6<br />Matthew 7<br />Matthew 10<br />Luke 19<br />Mark 2<br />1 Corinthians 7<br />Acts 22<br />Mark 1<br /><br />All tell of various methods/avenues for salvation - seems very gray to me - but not in a "Jesus won't just answer the question" kind of gray..its gray, because its bigger than you or I can even begin to imagine!<br /><br />Thanks so much for the dialogue.<br /><br />Peace,<br />RossRoss Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610849534284616756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559276266012305470.post-62081493566553495402011-03-22T09:40:28.098-07:002011-03-22T09:40:28.098-07:00I think John 3:16 clearly states what saves you:
...I think John 3:16 clearly states what saves you: <br /><br />For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life. <br /><br />I don't think it gets any less clear than that. There shouldn't be any "confusion." Its pretty black and white. The Bible doesn't use shades of gray, its blunt. Which seems to be an issue for a lot of people so we use gray to make it easier to swallow.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726161219531664250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559276266012305470.post-37976066732201819872011-03-22T09:33:41.138-07:002011-03-22T09:33:41.138-07:00I agree, the list is confusing. But in most evang...I agree, the list is confusing. But in most evangelical churches we say, Christs death & resurrection is a free gift, that there's nothing we can do to gain God's salvation. We then follow it up with, "so all you need to do is walk down the isle, say a prayer, believe it to be true, etc" i think the "list" is different depending on the church you know/experienced. <br /><br />the bible though is also not as clear as "truly accepting Jesus' gift of being our ultimate sacrifice on the cross as our means of redemption" as you put it. that's why Bell laid out all of the different passages that show how "salvation" took place - it was vastly different for all kinds of people.<br /><br />there's really no summation, other than its probably not as black & white as we'd like to make it out to be...<br /><br />thanks for the discussion!<br /><br />peace,<br />rossRoss Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610849534284616756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559276266012305470.post-11562363546417155312011-03-22T09:22:51.450-07:002011-03-22T09:22:51.450-07:00I find this "list" to be confusing. As b...I find this "list" to be confusing. As biblically speaking, I don't see the bible making such claims as a need for baptism or any particular prayer, etc. Only by truly accepting Jesus' gift of being our ultimate sacrifice on the cross as our means of redemption. That's it, old testament, new testament, THIS is the covenant.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10720787427216288636noreply@blogger.com